Various / 17 Nov 2004 18:21

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Danny,

When your tipplers are breeding, are you feeding them a mixture containing
maize??? If so, the pointed end of the kernel could cause a scratch in the
throat thereby allowing the germ to enter the system, etc. I use a 'No-Corn'

mixture during the breeding season and rarely get canker in the YBS. It does
happen now and again, I wouldn't say that it doesn't.

Cheers and beers,
Stan

From: Danny McCarthy
To: TipplerTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 5:49 PM

Hi Nino I hear what you are saying and you are right on the money when you
and Ed say don't fix something if it is not broken. but on the other hand
when on a couple occasions for no apparent reason your young ones while
still in the nest develop canker while in a clean healthy environment, you
take the path of prevention is better than cure. All the stuff that I use on
my birds have been recommend to me by a Vet who specialises in Pigeons. But
I do hear where you are coming from and you make a very valid point. Then
again the reason for the canker in my birds could be entirely my fault, but
until I can find out what I did or did not do to help promote the canker, I
have gone for prevention first. Cheers. Danny.

From: Nino
Sent: Thursday, 18 November 2004 1:26 AM
To: TipplerTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [TipplerTalk] Preventative Medication

Danny,

Wow! you sure are on top of things, that's for sure,

I have only one thing to say about what you wrote other than what I wrote,
and that is if you are ( while ) medicating your birds, then there is no
reason to give them cultured yeast, or any other gut enhancement things, as
the medication will kill all the living micros that you are trying to
administer. Also this water treatment you call KD, it will kill all the good
things you are doing also if I understand what you write.

I do not know if you read what I wrote, but to medicate for the unknown is
rather foolish, would you agree ?? Your own doctor would not give you meds
without knowing why ??? Just my opinion of coarse.

If your stock is in good shape, and under no apparent stress, then they
should be fine at pairing time. Worming is the only thing I do prior to
hatching out.

You can always medicate if and when necessary!!
Nino

From: Danny McCarthy
To: TipplerTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 7:14 PM
Subject: RE: [TipplerTalk] Preventative Medication

Hi Stan a very good question, medicating ones breeders is a must to promote
good healthy young. I for one always medicate my breeders before I pair them
up. Two weeks before pairing the breeders I d-worm them for every type of
worm possible by the aid of a tablet. I then use turbosol in their water for
three days to stop or kill any canker cells or germs that might be present
in the birds system. I also put them on a course of Resfite MK2 in their
water to clear up any respitory problems they might or might not have before
they start their breeding cycle. I do all the above in the first week along
with keeping them on a high protein diet right through the breeding season.
I also mix a cultured yeast food supplement which is rich in vitamins,
metabolites and amino acids which is in powder form. It is called Epowder.
This helps the birds to recover from any stress or illness that the breeding
season may inflect on them. The last week before pairing the birds up and
right through to the end of the breeding season I lace their drinking water
with a water cleanser known as KD powder, I do this for 2 days every week,
this helps with keeping the water clean and also keeps the water container
crystal clean. The active ingredients of this powder are as follows:
Hydrogen Sulphate 160/Kg, Potassium Chloride 250g/Kg. The dosage is 1 level
teaspoon to 1 litre of drinking water. Last but most importantly I try and
keep the breeding loft as clean as possible, by removing all droppings etc
and keeping the breeding section well ventilated and allowing as much
sunlight in to the loft. If this is not possible I leave the flights open at
all times so that the birds can fly to the top and get as much sun as they
need. As you know Stan I am new to the game and this is the method that I
use, but I am willing to take any good advice from guys like yourself, Nino,
Luka, Davey Warrener, OMB or for that matter anyone who can help me to
achieve good results when breeding. Sorry about the long winded reply.
Cheers.


Submitted by Various on Wednesday 11/17/2004 6:21 PM