threeonthewing / 31 Jan 2011 15:25

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Michael.....here is the wording addressing the issue at hand from the our
Fly Rules.

30. No flyer is to alter the appearance of the loft in any way within the
seven (7) day period prior to the competition date.

It states the altering of the loft is not allowed and not maintenance of the
premises . I think its quite simple, one cannot change the loft 7 days prior
to the fly date which would include new additions or subtractions to the
loft. I don't think there is anything sinister or confusing about this rule
and the reason it is in place is to prevent any chance of longer flight
because of changes made to the physical appearance of the loft. A kit not
wanting to land and therefore providing the flyer an unfair advantage is how
I read it. So let us say a branch fell on the roof of the loft and the flyer
removed it two days before the fly. Of course this is allowed as the branch
is not part of the loft structure....common sense right. Its a great rule in
my opinion and more importantly a fair one.

Luka

---- Original Message ----
From: M J Beat
Sent: Mon, Jan 31, 2011 1:00 pm
Subject: Re: [FT] Emailing: All down and accounted for.JPG, Another one
about to land on the chatrie.JPG, Birds landed on the Chatrie at Lucky's
home.JPG, Lucky showing us how the Chatrie works.JPG, Lucky, Rupert, Mick
and Aidan checking out Lucky's birds.JPG

Frank,

Thanks for taking the time to answer. I will have to go back and read the
official rules from several clubs to get the wording. However, I think the
intent of the rule is clear. Your examples of mowing the grass are not at
all within the intent. The idea is that to make birds nervous they won't
drop. If I teach birds to drop only on a certain board, but take it away on
competition day, then that's something that is altering the normal loft that
would make the bird anxious. If the landing gear is part of the dropping
signal, and I raised a pole with a flag on it when dropping the birds, and
they learned that the flag meant "food' I could condition my birds to do
that dropping signal even though another fancier might use the same flag to
ward his birds off (to spook them). This pole could possibly constitute
part of the dropping signal. (Does anyone remember the barrel caper?) I
think the rules allow me to flag them to drop them and in the FTA rules, one
had to inform the referee exactly what the dropping signal consisted of.
Does anyone else have an opion about this kind of method?

Thanks again Frank for taking the time. I was hoping someone would respond.

M J Beat
http://www.tipplers.com/

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Frank Otta wrote:

Hi Danny,

could raising the chatrie be one of the dropping signals used? In the KCHT
we have to list our dropping signals to be used on the fly day before the
liberation right in the heading of the time sheet so that there is no
mistake when an inspector observes from distance. If I need to, I can start
flying a giant green kite over the loft, or shoot some fireworks in the air
as dropping signals that I am entitled to train my birds to (and the
inspector may not neccessarily be familar with my dropping methods). Well, I
may use all those but they must be listed in the timesheet ---- and as soon
as I use one of the signals, the time is taken. Then the second step to
conclude the fly successfully is to have the kit under control for the ring
check no later than 60 mins after the official dark time.

Michael,

the rule on no changes in the appearance of the loft for 7 days prior to
competition is quite unique. Technically speaking, it would not permit me
for a week to wash down the droppings from the loft top or sweep the rain
puddle down from there, mow the lawn around the loft or take the garbage
cans out. To stretch it even further, I should cut the cherry tree down if
it comes into bloom during those 7 days - you know, the axe is under my
control if I want to adhere to the rules strictly, hehehe.
BTW, do seven days "prior to" include the competition day?
Take care,
Frank

Dne 29.1.2011 2:33, danny.4919@bigpond.com napsal(a):

Hi Michael,

My understanding of the use of a chatrie is as follows. The flyer releases
his birds without the Chatrie being on show. The birds take to the air and
fly however long they need to or are trained to fly. Then when it is time to
drop the birds the flyer raises the chatrie for them to drop to. Yes the
Chatrie does have a bird tied to it with a short string, which is attached
to the birds leg, the bird is in no harm or distress, as the Chatrie has a
cloth cover the tied bird uses the cloth to hold on to while being raised in
the air. Once the Chatrie is in place the birds just sits on it, which
attracts the rest of the flying kit to land on it. Once the kit has landed
on the Chatrie, the owner brings the chatrie down and tilts it towards the
open loft door, and the birds all fly into the loft. Once all of them are in
the loft the owner releases the tied bird as well which enters the loft as
well.

Cheers, Danny.


Submitted by threeonthewing on 1/31/2011 3:12:25 PM